Hopefully something that gets cut for the final release 😂

Wow! This is the first I heard of this so I looked it up.

According to this article it looks like you need a particular build thats not in the nightly mainline, and its very experimental.

Still, its exciting to see them work on this! I use Tree Style Tabs with custom userchrome.css, but it is a bit fragile. Native vertical tabs would be great!

Be careful for when they randomly swap the buy and close buttons.

I’m curious what you use it for. I use Ivy and it had good fuzzy matching.

My guess (and hope) is it’ll be just for fresh installs. That’s a big change and could break things for some people. But we’ll see!

I might give Wayland a try, but likely stay in X for a while yet. I have a little bit of software (like KeepassXC) that doesn’t quite have full Wayland support yet.

Yes. It probably won’t be available for install tomorrow, but I’m hoping its a pretty seamless upgrade once it lands in the repos.

Taking your data to flavortown!

I don’t use Flatpak much, but I rarely see issues. Sometimes I see minor things like themes not quite being right, but its never been bad enough for me to spend the time to fix it.

I suppose another downside is the need to have the base runtime packages, so it could take more disk space if each app uses a different one. In practice apps will share runtimes though.

Lol just a different rendering engine. So easy!

I use EndeavourOS with KDE and it’s wonderful!

Does anyone know offhand the issues Calamares has with Xfce?

It’s been a long time coming unfortunately. I’ve been fighting for open and interoperable systems for two decades and I’ve always been met with pushback from my non technical friends. And it makes sense because they just want to get stuff done.

I’m just happy that people are now seeing the damage caused by proprietary systems and lock in. At least it’s becoming mainstream so hopefully people start moving to more open systems where enshittification is more difficult.

Will someone answer that damn ringing!?

Clearly you’ve never read Hacker News. :)

Every point I’ve made has several threads on pretty much every Hacker News post about Mozilla or Firefox.

I was using Firefox when it was still called Phoenix, and I switched to Chrome briefly about 10 years ago when it was actually a bit better than Firefox. At the time, most people I knew in the tech sector were using Firefox. It’s Firebug extension was a major boost for development. Chrome was a bit better and their dev tools were even better than Firebug at the time.

I switched back to Firefox when I saw the direction Google was taking it, and I know a lot of other people did as well. Still, many people stayed with Chrome. There’s no shortage of comments on Hacker News about “I dropped Firefox because X” or “I tried to switch to Firefox but X”, where X is one of the things I mentioned.

Chrome got to where it was in no small part to us “computer people” saying it was good. And now not enough of us are saying Firefox is good. It breaks my heart to see so many young and smart developers choosing Chrome.

We’re heading back to the bad old days of IE dominance, with proprietary extensions, playing fast and loose with standards, and market dominance pushing for things that only benefit one company. ActiveX still gives me nightmares.

I’ve never understood the logic of people who switched to Chrome from Firefox.

Mozilla has an overpaid CEO, so let’s switch to a browser that’s run by one of the richest companies on the planet. Firefox broke some extension, so let’s switch to a browser that has an even worse extension model. Firefox shows client side ads that are easily disabled, so let’s switch to a browser actually run by an ad tech company. Firefox changed the UI to look like Chrome (and they hate the design), so I guess switch to Chrome?

It makes no sense…

Please stop using Chrome

Same here. Endeavour has been solid.

My issue isn’t with the technology but the fact that only an announcement created $100,000,000,000 worth of “value” while at the same time people are losing their jobs.

And even if the tech works, there are any number of reasons it won’t be successful. A competitor may beat them to it, or an open source one comes out, or the UI is terrible, or a middle manager cancels the project, or…

I have no issues with people making piles of money for creating useful things, but I do take issue with the speculative market moving around so much money while inequality is on the rise and people are out of work. And some of these are the very people who created that “value”.

I don’t really have a solution, but I also refuse to accept it as just the way things are.

Stock prices are crazy! For all we know this AI powered Excel is vapourware but the stock goes up over an announcement.

So much value created for society from a press release!

Meanwhile, record profits…

This is all pretty new though. And if another one came out it would be less mature than Headscale. For what it’s worth I’ve been using Tailscale for a while now and it’s fantastic!