Ok, I think I see your position more clearly now:

You’re thinking about people who are interested and installing based on technical interest and curiosity.

In those cases, I think you’re probably right. There is probably some base competency at play. A desire to learn. Probably someone in their sphere to support.

I’m thinking more about the type of people who would buy a Chromebook. Or my cheap ass parents who want to squeeze another 5 years out of an ailing laptop. They don’t want to spend any money and just want to use Facebook and YouTube. Send some emails. Connect to wifi. Print their boarding passes. Not have their machines riddled with viruses within minutes because their windows OS isn’t getting security updates anymore. I think this is actually a massive use case, and I want Linux to be accessible to them without needing to use the terminal for anything.

I can’t even begin to count the number of times I’ve seen absolutely terrible advice posted and taken regarding how to do things in Linux. Can’t connect to something? Easy, make a blanket iptables rule to permit everything. Something can’t read a file? Chmod 777. Install isn’t working? Just install as root and use root as your general login from there on out.

It’s hard to learn Linux.

But it’s even harder to FORGET what you’ve learned, to empathize with what it was like to not understand it at all. That’s why it’s SO HARD for us who’ve been using it daily for a decade to empathize with newcomers.

It’s why people literally can’t fathom why people are afraid of the terminal.

It’s why, even when someone takes the time to explain why, people go, “nah, that couldn’t possibly be it”

It’s like when gun people can’t comprehend why people are afraid of guns. The answer is obvious they just can’t hear it.

Edit: I think I better understand that there are more nuances around the cases now, and I think I’m being unfair by making blanket statements about what is and isn’t obvious

Right, and so if you have no idea what ANY of it means you just bail back to windows.

IMO, caution, wariness, concern, and unfamiliarity manifest as revulsion.

EVs. Solar panels. Heat pumps. Anything outside of CIS heteronormal relationships.

I’m my experience, after the age of like, 25, people (in GENERAL… Obviously many expectations) feel like they’ve got life figured out and push back against pretty much anything that challenges whatever they’ve grown accustomed to.

Nobody bitched about the DOS prompt when nobody knew how to use computers. Young people learned it. Old people insisted computers were a fad and pushed back entirely.

In my calculation, it’s just typical and predictable human response. Open to other theories though.

I mean, the answer to this is obvious if you can empathize.

Gui has baked into it hints on cause and effect. The terminal is a freeform incantation machine where you need to know and utter magic spells.

sudo rm -rf /

Is just as magically nonsense as

sudo apt-get update

If you don’t know what ANY of it does, your capacity to fuck things up is unbounded on the terminal. In a GUI, rightly or wrongly, you expect your capacity to fuck things up is bounded by the context at hand. I do not expect that I can nuke my system clicking through Firefox.

You can claw the terminal from my cold dead hands, but I’m not offended by the notion of a GUI.

Why? Because developer attention scales broadly by usage. Well used projects get more love. If we could even break 10% home adoption of any Linux distro and the runaway effect of net new developer input would destroy closed source operating systems, and I’m here for it. If that means adding a fucking Ubuntu checkbox to let people enable Wayland without strictly requiring the command line go fucking nuts.

I appreciate that OP wants to provide a framework for what women should and shouldn’t wear.

https://youtu.be/0aw7nIF3Sbo?si=9IyVbVMXMTdBmkTE

What about this fucking banger

I fucking hate grocery shopping.

The only thing that made it not-terrible really was getting in on couples arguments. You gotta be sneaky though.

One time a couple was arguing about which peanut butter to buy. I didn’t even need peanut butter. I had to be like “excuse me” to even get at it because they’re standing right in front of it. Grabbed the one, and muttered to “myself” : “yeah, this is the good stuff”, and walked off with it.

Put it back later.

As a person who has had a pet rat… This is only a moderate exaggeration of the proportion of a rat and it’s balls

So, the argument is that the system is so unwieldy that it forces you to be good because if you aren’t vigilant you’ll fuck yourself? Where have I heard that before?

Tumblr is full of nerds who’ll authoritatively say shit like this while paralyzers exist.

It also assumes that you can’t directly sell power back to the grid, which without power efficient mining hardware would still be a more valuable thing to do with the electricity.

Joke’s on everyone else for being stupid, because I actually initially formulated this, the “but they did it first” theorum of social reciprocity, at the tender age of 3.

Oooooh.

Mood

know how to change a flat or put in coolant.

Even just “The tire is the thing that has broken, I see tire flat: should round”, or “Coolant is to combat hot. I have the hot. Is coolant ok?”

The world is a bean spire.

Yeah I too hate it when all those yokel peasants paint us urban liberals with the same brush.

You know how there are online communities that are like “ironically” racist, but that lasts 0.1 seconds before ACTUAL racists think they’ve found a new home and suddenly it’s a legitimate alt-right racist sexist bigotted shithole?

That’s what lemmygrad instance is, except people legitimately pine to live in an authoritarian communist regime.

Like, I’m Canadian. “Socialism” doesn’t hit my ears as a dirty word. Honestly I can hear “Communism” as a theory without losing my mind. I’m a CO-OP member. I’m pro union. I think Regan is directly responsible for most of what is wrong with the western world today.

But these people aren’t even “akshulallyy true communism has never been tried” they’re straight up “Stalin was a saint”.

I had to block lemmygrad. It’s just too infuriating to hear 17 year old edge lords pontificating about things they don’t understand, and worse, REFUSE to consider under a critical lens.

I’m married to a Lithuanian. Occupation isn’t even a generation old for her. Her grandmother was called before a tribunal to answer why her son, in grade school, had in crayon combined the colours of yellow green and red under the suspicion that she had taught him what the Lithuanian flag had once looked like. Lithuania has meticulously preserved records of the thousands of academics and leaders who were pre-emptively exiled to Siberia. The Soviet Union was nightmarish in occupied territories in ways that westerners literally have no frame of reference to comprehend.

So, I dunno, IMHO do yourself a favour and just block that instance. It’s a cesspool of 17 year old ignorant edge lords who’ve been enlightened by thier own intelligence.

Oh damn, that looks especially rad! I do run Home Assistant and pipe everything through a selfhosted MQTT server, so there are a ton of use cases I can think of for video detections being piped through MQTT for me. Ty!