I remember we’d tape shows on the VCR when gone and it was so nice to fast forward through the ads.

Going back to live shows I found myself reaching for the VCR remote until I remembered.

New to Lemmy? There are hordes of users (no exaggeration) that say they won’t vote because the Dems aren’t left enough and bothsidessame.

We have some serious income problems but yeah a lot of people waste a lot of money. Big ass trucks and SUVs, eating out, shopping sprees, all the newest bells and whistles, gotta keep up with the Jones.

but that should pave the way for a candidate on the left that people actually want

Candidates don’t emerge for voters that don’t vote. Because in the analysis they don’t even exist, because they don’t vote. It’s a null data set. No politician is going to gamble on it possibly maybe existing but don’t vote. No donors are going to donate to causes which the voters maybe possibly exist but don’t vote. It simply doesn’t happen.

Ah I see you’re trying to ignore the entire Overton window point. Which is what I was talking about from the start. Votes change the Overton window dude. It’s really that simple. If you want the Overton window to change, you vote.

You’re conflating a shit ton. Do capitalists care about abortion? No. Rich donors probably didn’t really care either. Guess what changed it? Fucking votes. They picked that topic because it gets votes.

Votes determine policy and the Overton window because votes win elections.

And that is what I said: while there’s some legitimate talking point in money helping to win elections, what ultimately wins elections is, wait for it, votes. Votes are the ultimate decider for elections and yes policy.

I addressed it. I’ll try again. The ultimate deciding factor in elections is votes. Literally votes. Election night isn’t spent tallying who raised the most money, it’s literally counting who got the most votes.

But but but but but but but but but but Biden bad!!1!1

Looks like he did $15 minimum for federal workers, ran out of time, and is asking Congress to do it for everyone (you know, because he currently doesn’t have the house, you know because of votes). Lol looks like you should take your own advice and stop making excuses for yourself.

While there’s some legitimacy in money winning elections, you know what it comes down to? Fucking votes.

Dude you didn’t address anything I said, just a glib catchphrase that’s frankly wrong. But in good faith I’ll discuss:Depends on the circumstances. Clinton and Biden running against incumbents had to be even more center, although Biden is acting more left than what he ran. But you want to suggest Obama with Obamacare was right? Yeah no. And Biden is left than what he ran: IRA, chips act, marijuana, etc. Sorry your little catchphrase is inaccurate.

And if you want even more inaccuracy, get dem president and Congress majority for 20 years straight and watch it move. Because, as I said, you can’t do what you want when there’s a real chance of losing. Then more left ideas in the party get more attention and traction. Which is, you guessed it, the Overton window.

Lmao thank you for confirming your mental gymnastics! You don’t even make sense. Kinda figured after you saw your mistake with Bill Clinton. I did some edits though. Ciao for real and you don’t get to complain when you don’t vote.

Bill Clinton is the one that ran against an incumbent. He had to run center. Against Bush senior. Bill Clinton. The one that was actually president. Bill.

Hillary Clinton thank you for bringing that up. She ran on climate war/map room. That and the attacks lost it. But what do you think the window would be if Hillary Clinton won? Easy, it would be further left. You’re making my case for me.

And what did the protest no vote do? That’s right, fucking handed it to Trump. You’re making my case for me

Instead Trump won and guess what happened to the Overton window? It went off the cliff to the right. And it’s still there because he won and could win again. You’re making this too easy.

Disengaged voters you say. Hey I wonder what they could do. Hmmmmmmmm. Hmmmmm. Hmmmmm. I think they could, wait for it, vote! If you want policy number 475 you have to vote for policy 1 first. That’s exactly what happened with GOP, they voted for decades and they finally got roe overturned. You keep making my case.

Besides, swing voters don’t just vote according to a rational policy calculus of centrism. A lot of it is vibes or superficial nonsense.

Doesn’t fucking matter. They vote. And guess what, that means they get heard. You keep making my case for me.

Agree the Dems aren’t going to magically move left like you think they’re going to when you don’t vote. They will move with the voters. But you don’t like this so you try to say it’s all donors and whatever else. It’s unbelievable. The way you get things is to change is to vote. This is so incredibly easy but you want to make up excuses and do mental gymnastics. Get dem in the whitehouse and majority in Congress for 20 years straight and watch it fucking move. You do that by voting.

Oh I see you’re from .ml. it’ll just be more excuses and mental gymnastics. Ciao.

You literally win from the middle. One switched vote is worth double from the fringes, because you take away from the other party and get one yourself.

And if you run against incumbents, you have to be even more in the middle - think Clinton and Biden. Biden had to run center, although he’s acting further left than what he ran on.

Sorry but you’re just trying to justify not voting, by pretending that not voting will magically make the party move left. It won’t. It’s fantasy. Not voting means they will meet in the middle even harder.

You want change? Make the Dems win resoundingly and successively.

It’s the Overton window. If the right ideas keep losing, then the left ideas have more say. If the right wing ideas don’t win you elections, they slowly fade away. If left wing ideas win you elections, the the whole Overton window goes to which left wing ideas will win.

Like dude you just listed off the entire Overton window that they’re appealing to because it won them an election and might win them another election. Like you just did it! Why do those talking points even exist? Because it won and could win again. Shut those out by voting. Tell them resoundingly that there’s no chance of winning on those ideas, and then the Overton window can move left.

Your question is complete backwards. They can’t move left because there is a real chance of losing. You win elections from the center. If you have a risk of losing that means you stay firmly in the center.

Dude no. They need to win elections which means they can’t lose to Republicans. That’s it. When they know they can’t lose, they will move on to better policies. They aren’t going to magically move left when there’s a very real chance of losing the election. Sorry to say, you’re twisting yourself into knots trying to justify not voting.

The Democrats can’t do as much as you want them to when there’s a very real chance of losing the election to the Republicans. If you want change, then vote. If you want policy 475, you need to vote for policy 1 first.

You only need IT support, which you would be paying for one way or another with MS.

the government has given the go-ahead for the first step towards complete digital sovereignty in the state, with further steps to follow.

The term digital sovereignty is very important here. If a public administration uses proprietary, closed software that can’t be studied or modified, it is very difficult to know what happens to users’ data:

We have no influence on the operating processes of such [proprietary] solutions and the handling of data, including a possible outflow of data to third countries. As a state, we have a great responsibility towards our citizens and companies to ensure that their data is kept safe with us and we must ensure that we are always in control of the IT solutions we use and that we can act independently as a state.

Digital sovereignty seems to be the primary impetus, so this might go far. Saving money is secondary.

So at what point does/did it reach death spiral?

Of course it does, don’t know why you think I don’t.