• Snot Flickerman@lemmy.blahaj.zone
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    7 months ago

    Uhhhh, Saint Nicholas died nearly 1650 years ago?

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Nicholas

    Who the fuck do you think “Santa Claus” is? Europe has Christmas festivals going back hundreds of years?

    Hell, part of the reason we have Christmas is because of the Romans and their Saturnalia celebrations. When Constantine said “Everyone in Rome is now Christian” he had to do some things to back it up, like re-arranging celebrations to match the new state religion.

    England, in particular, is a Christian country and they dominated the globe for a long time. The Queen of India resided in England never set a foot in fucking India. That’s how such practices are spread so wide.

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      The made up elves north pole. Guy in a sled handing out presents is family modern. Yes it goes back to pagan times but that was in a specific country.

      Yeah all that is the origins. But the made up capitalism holiday it is now. It’s only been since maybe the 50s and the most modern stuff is only 30 plus years old. Elves and the pretending.

      That bit

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        https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Father_Christmas_Letters

        Letters from Father Christmas, formerly known as The Father Christmas Letters, are a collection of letters written and illustrated by J. R. R. Tolkien between 1920 and 1943 for his children, from Father Christmas.

        The stories are told in the format of a series of letters, told either from the point of view of Father Christmas or his elvish secretary. They document the adventures and misadventures of Father Christmas and his helpers, including the North Polar Bear and his two sidekick cubs, Paksu and Valkotukka.

        Elves were definitely a trope prior to the 1950’s, as evidenced by JRR Tolkeins “Father Christmas Letters” to his children starting in 1920.

        Saint Nicholas was known for handing out gifts which is where the Santa handing out gifts stories came from. Gift giving and receiving has been part of Christmas the whole time.

        You might just be thinking about heavily Coca-Cola has used Santa in their marketing during the period you’re of which you’re speaking. The fat, jolly red-suited modern image we so often think of was heavily influenced by Coca-Cola advertising campaigns. Capitalism did spiral into hyper-out-of-control and the pressure to buy and give presents has never been higher, but to act like those things were only recent additions to the tradition is false. Rather a “happy” confluence of holiday and commerce (in the eyes of business people anyway), honestly, like most modern holidays. Christmas isn’t alone in the commercialization. I mean we may as well be asking “What the fuck does the sacrifice of Saint Valentine have to do with romance and buying flowers?”